[Arthur A. Bailey, "What Modern Revelation Teaches About Adam," in The Ensign, January 1998, pp. James Faust, who served as a member of the First Presidency, was also quite clear in his interpretation of the phrase when he told a General Conference audience. Here is what she told me: After taking a college and graduate level grammar course, I’ll admit I had to google “preposition of separation,” but after reading up on it, I don’t think it means what he thinks it means. Nephi glories in plainness—Isaiah’s prophecies will be understood in the last days—The Jews will return from Babylon, crucify the Messiah, and be scattered and scourged—They will be restored when they believe in the Messiah—He will first come six hundred years after Lehi left Jerusalem—The Nephites keep the law of Moses and believe in Christ, who is the Holy One of Israel. LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. I love 2 Nephi 25:23- 'That it is by Grace that we are saved'- such a great lesson for this week! Jesus also atoned not only for Adam’s transgressions but for the sins of all mankind. 2 Nephi 25:23, of course, contains the famous verbal formula, “we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Latter-day Saints of varying theological stripes frequently treat this formulation as providing a resolution of debates regarding grace and works, although the resolution they see the text as pointing toward varies. Robinson is correct that “none of us actually does all he can do.” This seems to be the crux of the matter and the reason why he wishes to change the meaning of the word “after.” When commentators have a doubt about the way a biblical verse ought to be understood, the original Greek and Hebrew can be studied to determine a passage’s meaning. But in order for these supreme blessings to be effective in our lives, we should first do our part, ‘for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ Let us with faith, enthusiasm, dedication, responsibility, and love do all that is within our reach, and we will be doing all that is possible to achieve the impossible—that is, to achieve what for the human mind is impossible but with the divine intervention of our loving Father and the infinite sacrifice brought about by our Savior becomes the greatest gift, the most glorious of realities, to live forever with God and with our families” (“Attempting the Impossible,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2009, p. 34). In pursuit of, that is, moving behind, following; in search of. Later in time; as, after supper. We cannot be saved by grace alone, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved after all we can do” (Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2001, p. 18). Not once have I found a general authority agreeing with the notion that “after all we can do” is the same as “in spite of all we can do,” as this missionary was telling me. 2 Nephi 25:26 by LDS Scripture of the Day | posted in: Book of Mormon | 0 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins. Math. I was unaware that the church newsroom had doctrinal tidbits in there (thanks CV75 for pointing in that direction) and as I was browsing I came upon the entry for Grace. 2 Nephi 25:23. 2 Nephi 25:23 after all we can do “At first glance at this scripture (2 Ne 25:23), we might think that grace is offered to us only chronologically after we have completed doing all we can do, but this is demonstrably false, for we have already received many manifestations of God’s grace before we even come to this point. Rather, we seek His grace to complement and reward our most diligent efforts (see 2 Nephi 25:23). The true value of the sacrifice of Christ means much more than this general salvation which comes to all mankind. Two theological interpretations, one traditional and one revisionist, are widespread. But redemption from individual sins depends upon individual effort, with each being judged according to his or her works. For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do. In traditional Mormonism, grace is provided to all humanity because of obedience accomplished in Mormonism’s preexistence (i.e., all human chose Jesus rather than Lucifer to be the savior of the world). « Previous 2 Nephi 25 Next » According to the direction and influence of. In his book Believing Christ, Robinson explained: I understand the preposition “after” in 2 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. The sense is that apart from all we can do, it is ultimately by the grace of Christ that we are saved. In other words, each must do all he can to save himself form sin; then he may lay claim to the blessings of redemption by the Holy One of Israel, that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the law and ordinances of the gospel. @Deadworm, I thank you for your words and presence on this forum. In his book Are Mormons Christians? As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. Baptism the gate to the strait and narrow path. As we continue to study Nephi and Isaiah this week- there are several excellent topics for lessons. After all, the Bible teaches that there is nothing a person can do to earn God’s favor, no matter how much effort is exerted. It may be regarded as the ‘Mormon’ contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature.’ The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of mankind is powerfully stated by Nephi: ‘We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. The scriptures make it clear that while a resurrection will come to all, only those who obey the Christ will receive the expanded blessing of eternal salvation” (Harold B. Lee, “To Ease the Aching Heart,” Ensign, April 1973, p. 5. Reading the Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Lesson 9 reminded me of a talk I gave back when I was in high school. Emphasis mine). . (2 Nephi 25:23) All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. Imagine you are an Israelite living during the time of Moses and the poisonous snakes. The use of 2 Nephi 25:23 as raw material for theological reflection about the relationship between grace and works creates no end of trouble for Mormons, although many of us seem unaware of the difficulties. But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi, when he said: ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ (2 Nephi 25:23.) Brackets in original). 2 Nephi 31:5-12. Ellipsis in original). Those are the best examples I could find that MIGHT fit the word “after”…but they don’t. This is a classic statement of how grace applies to us. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. In a first section, I highlight a number of ambiguities in Nephi's words that have not been sufficiently noted. You must keep the laws and ordinances of Christ. Cited in The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, p. 186). 25:23 at the end. The idea that “after” means “in spite of” may very well have originated with BYU professor Stephen E. Robinson. Before citing 2 Nephi 25:23, Lee explained, “But all of these blessings are ours on one condition, and this is spoken of by Nephi” (Conference Reports, April 1956, p. 111). Thank you! “THE LORD BLESSES US TO THE DEGREE WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. According to Reynolds and Sjodahl, Babylon was one of the great cities of the ancient world, perhaps the greatest. My intention is to provide a three-pronged approach to interpreting the passage. Perhaps as much as praying for mercy, we should pray for time and opportunity to work and strive and overcome. For example, the ordinance of baptism is given us for the remission of sins, for entrance into the kingdom–a new birth; the gift of the Holy Ghost gives us the right to companionship with one of the Godhead; administration to the sick qualified the individual with faith for a special blessing; by paying our tithing, the windows of heaven may be opened unto us; by fasting and by praying our fast offerings, we are told that then we might call on the Lord and He will hear our cry and our call; celestial marriage promises us that family life will exist beyond the grave. Nephi tries to convince people to believe in God and be saved by his grace. 1 Samuel 24:8. “We are saved by grace according to all we can do”—even if this fit, it still would contradict Robinson’s interpretation. . No matter how hard we work, how diligently we serve, or how righteously we live, we will never deserve more than we receive (p. 311). What happens if the Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with man? . The Savior’s blood, His atonement, will save us, but only after we have done all we can to save ourselves by keeping His commandments. !” I asked if he could recite it for me and he had trouble. 7-8). Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged 2 Nephi 25:23 vs. Ephesians 2:8-9, bible, Book of Mormon, false doctrines, false prophets, Jesus, mormonism, Salvation by grace or works on 02/04/2012| Leave a Comment » Salvation by What? “After all we can do” includes extending our best effort. Roberts of the Seventy (1857-1933) explained how the unconditional nature of the Atonement in regard to Adam’s transgression and its conditional nature regarding men’s personal sins is a doctrine ‘peculiar to ‘Mormonism’…and is derived almost wholly from the teachings of the Book of Mormon. 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